Proposition 8: Legality of gay marriage to be determined in November election
By: Katherine Jarvis
Issue date: 10/15/08 Section: Features
If students visited the Queer Week information fair Oct. 8 in the Free Speech Area, they saw many booths, a heavily decorated band and quite a few "No on 8" posters.
While there are students who will vote "no" on Proposition 8, there are also students supporting it.
Proposition 8, if approved, would amend the California Constitution and eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry, according to the Voter Information Guide.
Senior Kellen Johnson was undecided on whether he would vote "yes" or "no" on Proposition 8 until he had a spiritual conversation with his wife and decided to vote "yes," he said. But he would not have a problem if Proposition 8 didn't get approved because that would be the majority's decision.
If the voters decide to vote against the proposition, senior Joe Valente, who is running for Chico City Council, would understand it is part of the political system, he said.
Whether Proposition 8 passes and eliminates gay's marital rights or is voted down, Valente doesn't think the issue will be over for either side, he said.
He supports the proposition because it would protect the cultures and values of society, he said. He thinks traditional marriage between a man and a woman keeps that intact.
"I think through all this, that civil unions give the same rights to same-sex couples and that traditional marriage should be protected," he said.
While civil unions in California give same-sex couples virtually all the same rights as heterosexual couples, political science professor Steve Sherlock thinks the meaning of marriage is significant to same-sex couples, he said.
"It signifies the highest level of love and commitment that two people can have, and for the state to deny that to a class of people is to suggest that they are not capable of it," he said.
If Proposition 8 is approved, the state constitution would discriminate against same-sex couples by not allowing them to marry, Sherlock said.
Although it has not been determined whether same-sex marriages that were already performed will be legal if Proposition 8 is approved, many constitutional scholars think the marriages would remain valid since they were legal at the time they were performed, Sherlock said.
With the election less than three weeks away, advertisements both for and against the proposition have been on television.
The "yes" ads state that churches will lose their tax exemptions if they don't perform same-sex marriages and that same-sex marriage will be taught in schools, Sherlock said. But these are "blatant lies."
But the "lies" are working since polls indicate that more Californians support "Yes on 8" since the ads started airing, Sherlock said. Before the "yes" ads were aired, "No on 8" was in the lead.
Web designer Kasey McKnight recently married Lana McKnight, a psychologist at the Counseling and Wellness Center, she said. She thinks they deserve the right to be married and show their commitment to each other in a legal way in the same way the rest of society does.
Not approving Proposition 8 could provide a steppingstone for equal rights across the country, Kasey McKnight said. If
Proposition 8 is approved, it would be a step backward for equal rights.
"We're supposed to be growing as a society and, to me, growth of society is recognizing and giving each other equal rights, equal consideration and equal respect," she said.
Kasey McKnight doesn't understand why California voters get to decide what rights she and her wife have, she said. She doesn't understand why there are people who are trying to take away the joy from her marriage.
The "Yes on 8" campaign uses the slogan "protect marriage," and Lana McKnight doesn't understand why the campaign uses the word "protect," she said.
"I don't see how my marriage is threatening theirs," she said.
Katherine Jarvis can be reached at
kjarvis@theorion.com
While there are students who will vote "no" on Proposition 8, there are also students supporting it.
Proposition 8, if approved, would amend the California Constitution and eliminate the right of same-sex couples to marry, according to the Voter Information Guide.
Senior Kellen Johnson was undecided on whether he would vote "yes" or "no" on Proposition 8 until he had a spiritual conversation with his wife and decided to vote "yes," he said. But he would not have a problem if Proposition 8 didn't get approved because that would be the majority's decision.
If the voters decide to vote against the proposition, senior Joe Valente, who is running for Chico City Council, would understand it is part of the political system, he said.
Whether Proposition 8 passes and eliminates gay's marital rights or is voted down, Valente doesn't think the issue will be over for either side, he said.
He supports the proposition because it would protect the cultures and values of society, he said. He thinks traditional marriage between a man and a woman keeps that intact.
"I think through all this, that civil unions give the same rights to same-sex couples and that traditional marriage should be protected," he said.
While civil unions in California give same-sex couples virtually all the same rights as heterosexual couples, political science professor Steve Sherlock thinks the meaning of marriage is significant to same-sex couples, he said.
"It signifies the highest level of love and commitment that two people can have, and for the state to deny that to a class of people is to suggest that they are not capable of it," he said.
If Proposition 8 is approved, the state constitution would discriminate against same-sex couples by not allowing them to marry, Sherlock said.
Although it has not been determined whether same-sex marriages that were already performed will be legal if Proposition 8 is approved, many constitutional scholars think the marriages would remain valid since they were legal at the time they were performed, Sherlock said.
With the election less than three weeks away, advertisements both for and against the proposition have been on television.
The "yes" ads state that churches will lose their tax exemptions if they don't perform same-sex marriages and that same-sex marriage will be taught in schools, Sherlock said. But these are "blatant lies."
But the "lies" are working since polls indicate that more Californians support "Yes on 8" since the ads started airing, Sherlock said. Before the "yes" ads were aired, "No on 8" was in the lead.
Web designer Kasey McKnight recently married Lana McKnight, a psychologist at the Counseling and Wellness Center, she said. She thinks they deserve the right to be married and show their commitment to each other in a legal way in the same way the rest of society does.
Not approving Proposition 8 could provide a steppingstone for equal rights across the country, Kasey McKnight said. If
Proposition 8 is approved, it would be a step backward for equal rights.
"We're supposed to be growing as a society and, to me, growth of society is recognizing and giving each other equal rights, equal consideration and equal respect," she said.
Kasey McKnight doesn't understand why California voters get to decide what rights she and her wife have, she said. She doesn't understand why there are people who are trying to take away the joy from her marriage.
The "Yes on 8" campaign uses the slogan "protect marriage," and Lana McKnight doesn't understand why the campaign uses the word "protect," she said.
"I don't see how my marriage is threatening theirs," she said.
Katherine Jarvis can be reached at
kjarvis@theorion.com
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JohnS
posted 10/15/08 @ 4:02 AM PST
I am a native of Cal. now living in Florida, hateing it here and wanting to move back. I am watching prop 8 like crazy.
If it passes there will be no reason to go back. (Continued…)
JoeK
posted 10/15/08 @ 4:34 AM PST
Please help me and tens of thousands of Californians reject and defeat discrimination and inequality by helping with your vote and giving a big, fat NO to Proposition 8 on November 4th. (Continued…)
Mike Hammari
posted 10/15/08 @ 8:38 AM PST
Opponents of prop 8 consider their reasonings "lies" because the effects of legalizing same-sex marriage won't happen overnight. Considering all the lawsuits that have recently come through the courts it is not unrealistic to consider tax-exempt status to be in future jeopardy. (Continued…)
Marilou
posted 10/15/08 @ 9:00 AM PST
Mike - you should check your facts before posting them. The kids that took the fieldtrip to their teacher's same-sex marriage had permission slips from their parents to go, two children's parents did not wish their kids to go to the ceremony and opted out and they didn't go. (Continued…)
Chris
posted 10/15/08 @ 9:55 AM PST
This validates the notion that the citizens of California, of which 61% voted against same-sex marriage on prop 22 in 2000 means nothing to anyone. Religious groups support prop 8 because it is morally fundamental. (Continued…)
Keith Adams
posted 10/15/08 @ 10:41 AM PST
I am disappointed to the Orion running a "Yes on 8" ad on their website. They should more supportive of students and their civil liberties.
maryjo
posted 10/15/08 @ 1:22 PM PST
I do not understand why people can't grasp what the meaning of "equality for all" means. It, I am sure, means that we should all have the same rights. (Continued…)
=)
posted 10/15/08 @ 4:53 PM PST
I'm voting against Prop 8. Our country was founded with the notion of equality for all. It's been a struggle to really try and achieve this. The whole "seperate but equal" idea has never worked. (Continued…)
moonstone
posted 10/15/08 @ 9:40 PM PST
Regarding use of the word "protect" ...
If you had asked people 100 years ago whether smoking was harmful, I am sure they would have said "no, and certainly my smoking could not possibly hurt you (a non-smoker). (Continued…)
concerned citizen
posted 10/16/08 @ 8:17 PM PST
put aside the talk about gays and rights and what not...the issue here is that 4 activist judges violated the rights of 4 million voting Californians by overturning proposition 22, which passed with a 61% of the vote. (Continued…)
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